A Decidedly Dissenting View

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...many youngsters over the world have had that chance to make their dreams come true.
And it is so much more than this, particularly in the world we now live in.

The kids are given a chance to really excel. To work hard. To go further than the people with clipboards usually allow them a chance to go.

Lots of people (all ages) have dreams. Having a dream, and having the talent and guts to achieve it are separate things.

There ARE kids out there who don't want a childhood. And adults who never had a chance to grow, to become more than children.

Hurrah for BETM!! And the many people who defeat the odds, make it happen. I'd forgotten the story about Liam throwing up during the early rehearsals, and felt bad when I read it again... but I don't think he'd want to change anything, would he?
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CJ-Rochester wrote:I never thought of "Billy Elliot" as a story that was pushing a political agenda (despite Lee Hall's remarks at the Birthday show). I certainly don't think the intent was for audiences to walk out of the theater thinking "I want to join a union". It is simply showing the history of what occurred at a certain time and place years ago. .
I have to disagree. Nothing "is simply showing the history of what occurred at a certain time and place years ago". Not even some school book about history. It will always contain certain political and ideological views. Lee Hall makes his views very clear; I think you should take him seriously.

However, it's a good thing that you acutally can discuss about BETM and even read it in different ways. The way presented in this review is something to think about, but I think the guy got it wrong. "Dancing Boy" has written an excellent reply to it in the comment-section there:
There are some interesting thoughts in this article. The two main storylines of Billy Elliot The Musical might indeed appear as seeming contradictions: the striking miner's solidarity versus the individual self-realisation of Billy as a ballet dancer.

However in my opinion individualism and collectivism don't need to be polar opposites. First of all there is a difference between individualism and egotism. The egotist only cares for his own needs and tries to realise them without regard for the others around him. Self-realisation doesn't need to be egotistic though. To put this into perspective, every collective can also be seen as a group of individuals. In an optimal society such a group knows about the interdependence of all individuals on each other, but also gives each individual enough freedom to live according to their unique personal needs. Otherwise it would become oppressive.

A positive individualism in this sense should, to pick up themes from the musical: question classical gender roles (*), reject homophobia, give each individual the chance to realise their personal talents and passions, like e.g. ballet. There might be situations where collectivism and individualism clash and a middle ground needs to be found, but I don't think these two ideas are opposites in general. It is possible to combine them.

Of course we don't live in a perfect society and today's ideas of individuality too often border on egotism, so far I agree. It certainly is a danger of individualism that it can lead to a too strong focus on the self, forgetting about or even eradicating the collective.

However in the musical I see the miner's solidarity not as a contradiction but as a counter-balance to the idea of individualism. In fact the musical expresses its support of socialist or collectivist ideas right at the beginning with historic newsreel footage of Labour politician Herbert Morrison:

"Now I want you men of the pits to come through. I want this great scheme of nationalisation to succeed triumphantly. The whole country is watching to see how this great new organisation, this new adventure, this new experiment, comes out. The great experiment of socialism in a democracy depends on you. The whole future we are trying to build up in our country is for all our people, and all our children, and it depends on you."

In the end Billy can only fulfill his dream of becoming a ballet dancer through the support of his local community who overcome their initial rejection and eventually support him, even collecting money for his audition. The community is depicted as always standing together, right to the end.

The musical's collectivist ideas also become clear in a recent interview with Lee Hall (**) where he states:

"Unfortunately the economic crisis and the attacks on the poorest in our country by the Coalition over the last five years have made the themes more immediate and more resonant. The current Tory party are actually going to go even further than the Thatcher government in attacking ordinary working class people."

Neither do I think that the musical affirms some form of enlightened homosexuality over benighted heterosexuality. It simply takes a clear stance in regard to stereotypes and prejudices. As much as a collectivist society should care for the poor and weak, it should also care for the full acceptance of minority groups.

So in the end I don't think Billy Elliot's solidarity with the miners is just a pose. In fact it is a central part of its political message.

(*) for an intriguing discussion of gender, masculinity, sexuality and youth in the film version of Billy Elliot see "Oi. Dancing Boy!" by Cynthia Weber

(**)http://www.whatsonstage.com/west-end-th ... 37790.html
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- What do I do??
- Follow the others... marching forward to socialism!
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So basically this an attack from the LEFT on the musical? This is an argument for calling Billy a scab(which IS brought up by Tony). Utter Marxist BS.
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I found Mr Marmion's piece rather amusing! It is complete and utter drivel of course, but entertaining nonetheless. I loved the part where he describes Billy as "The cute little brother of Gordon Gekko!"

How can anyone take BETM, or themselves so seriously? I have a feeling that this journalist had his tongue firmly planted in his cheek when he wrote this.

However, I wonder what Mr Hall would make of having BETM described as......"No more socialist than Margaret Thatcher." :lol:
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Simplistically, art is not apolitical and is meant to be appreciated / critiqued / denigrated / interpreted on and for its own merits or otherwise. It is produced / performed / presented / exhibited within a social context. And we all are mostly social. I am glad to be able to read alternative viewpoints, whether concerning BETM or any other aspects of life.
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in Playbill October 2008
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